The Watchmen Q&E Review Show

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3 Responses to “The Watchmen Q&E Review Show”

  1. George C Says:

    Wow. I can see why you guys may not have liked the film (although I did), but it seems like it was just over your head if your saying you didn’t see the point or points.

    1-The main question the film raises over and over again is “Do the ends justify the means?” Is it ok to trick the world into not destroying itself? Do we want peace at any cost?

    2- The point of “R” narrating/journaling is the fact that even though everyone lies in the end to maintain peace, his journal make it to a newspaper which will expose the lie. He winds up being the only morally consistant character.

    3- The conversation on Mars is an answer to the Comedians cynical joke and “R”‘s conclusion that God is indifferent/inactive in the universe. Mr. Manhattan realizes that “something” miraculous brings life and beauty out of even horrible things.

    The comic was simply too long, which made the same points and connections harder to see, but I think the film did a really good job. I think they were trying to ask the right questions and give enough info to come to the right conclusions on their own.

  2. questionentertainment Says:

    Wow – I do think we focused more on the onslaught of violence, sex and silly ideas, though I believe I saw most of the points and messages, I just thought they were either silly, wrong, or not worth the porn and blood to get there.

    1 – I do see the “Do the ends justify the means?” being a strong theme here. I found it ironic that the ending was very similar to “The Dark Knight.” The difference here was that the “bad guys” were taking on the Christ symbolism while lying to the world for the world’s own good. Of course the good guys, Night Owl and Rorschach, opposed this and Rorschach ultimately brought it down because he, like Ozymandias, had set his plan in motion before the final confrontation. (IE dropped off his journal that chronicled most of the plot.)

    I do think it was looking at that issue. I do think we should be more like Rorschach, though the end seamed a bit nihilistic and more to the point of “hey, we are all doomed anyway.”

    2 – Yes. He gave us back story, and a way into the plot, but then the journal becomes a plot point. That was a nice touch. Though with that. The movie’s narrative structure suffers. The film ends up being
    – Meet the characters
    – Have a series of events that leads to each character explaining his back story
    – Final confrontation
    To this end, I think it was trying to be the “super hero Citizen Kane”, which I think could have worked if they were more focused on just Rorschach as the reporter and the Comedian as Kane.

    3 – Yes, Dr. Manhattan did question the existence of God. He did also question the value of humanity. The conversation about her birth, and all, was his self revelation – “There is the spark of the divine in humanity. ”
    This is a real glimpse of God even from a Biblical stand point, and I do like that it was there. Still they did not connect it as well as they should have, and it was just the distant God who had some sort of plan when he started, so birth can still work out to produce something amazing. Ironically, it was not that all life is a miracle, it was that Laurie Jupiter was a miracle even though she came from scum. All we know of Laurie Jupiter is that she was hot, she was lethal, he started a relationship with her for those reasons and when she felt distance, she started sleeping with Dan Dreiberg. She may be more developed in the book, but she was not the shining example of humanity here.

    Extra – I do think that Rorschach was the moral compass of this film and the closest to “right”, where Night Owl was more the everyman, and The Silk Specters were both just the Feminist Freudian “Image Bearers” – not real characters but objects to give the male characters a reason to act.

    Maybe the comic was better, I have not read it and will not bother. The naked parts or the distant God were enough for me not to bother with this film. Still, with that aside, it was not a well structured film. Movies like “The Matrix” and “Primmer” are complex and may lose people because of that, however Watchmen will lose people because it’s poor design makes it just clunky rather than the complex and clever in may have been going for.

  3. James Says:

    I was not a fan of this movie… And i think the reason was this… the movie trailers made this movie out to be Xmen meets ‘a league of extraordinary gentemen’ I figured it would be really cool… Instead it was dark and disturbing at times… I mean overall, it was done well, and it had a complex plot/theme, but the darkness/heaviness overshadowed everything, and afterwards i felt like I needed an entire bottle of Prozac just keep going…

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